The Story We Were Told
For more than a century, we have been taught a simple story.
The Earth changes slowly
Mountains rise gradually
Continents drift patiently
Climate shifts over immense spans of time
“The present is the key to the past.”
— Sir Charles Lyell, Principles of Geology (1833)
Small causes
Small changes
Vast ages
This philosophy, known as uniformitarianism, became the foundation of modern geology and much of modern cosmology.
Catastrophes were pushed to the margins. Global disasters became relics of mythology. Ancient traditions were dismissed as superstition. The gods never walked the skies. The heavens never changed.
Nothing dramatic happened within human memory. Or so we were told.
But what if the evidence says otherwise?
A Strange Discovery in Deep Ice
Deep ice cores are among the most important climate archives on Earth.
Researchers have long used electrical conductivity measurements to identify acidic layers within them, including those left by major volcanic eruptions. Yet comparisons between two of Greenland’s best-studied ice cores revealed significant discrepancies in their deepest sections. The authors concluded that ice flow may have introduced discontinuities into the record and that further work was needed before reliable climatic information could be extracted from the oldest ice.
If the deepest sections of these ice cores are more disturbed than often assumed, an obvious question follows: just how secure is the chronology built upon them?
Where Did the Volcanoes Go?
One example concerns the eruption of Toba.
Around 74,000 years ago, the Toba super-eruption was one of the largest volcanic events known. It blasted enormous quantities of ash and sulphur into the atmosphere. An event of that magnitude should have left a clear fingerprint within the world’s great ice cores.
Yet identifying that fingerprint has proved surprisingly difficult. Researchers have proposed several candidate signals, and only recently has one emerged as the leading contender. Correlating major volcanic eruptions with the deepest sections of the Greenland and Antarctic ice cores remains a significant scientific challenge.
As Michael Steinbacher quipped at the 2013 Electric Universe Conference in Baltimore:
“I would like to start a charity for missing volcanoes.”
The remark was humorous, but it highlights a serious point. If even one of the largest known eruptions is difficult to identify with confidence, how certain can we be about the chronology of the oldest ice?
The Ice Itself
The chemistry is not the only puzzle.
Deep within several Antarctic ice cores, researchers have identified abrupt changes in crystal structure and alignment that are not always easy to reconcile with simple, gradual accumulation. Rather than changing smoothly through time, some of the deepest ice preserves remarkably ordered internal structures.
Whether these features reflect pressure, chemistry, or something more unusual remains a matter of debate. But they serve as another reminder that the oldest ice may still have stories to tell.
The Compression Question
This leads to a provocative possibility.
What if the deepest ice does not represent hundreds of thousands of years?
What if the chronology is compressed?
Could events interpreted as separate climate cycles actually be phases of a much shorter catastrophe sequence?
The idea sounds radical. Yet it raises important questions.
How often have scientists mistaken duration for repetition? How often has one event been interpreted as many?
“No vestige of a beginning, no prospect of an end.”
— James Hutton (1726–1797), Theory of the Earth (1788; expanded 1795)
The conventional timeline rests upon a number of assumptions that deserve continued scrutiny.
Whether one accepts that conclusion or not, the challenge deserves attention.
Catastrophism is making a comeback.
The Return of Catastrophism
For much of the twentieth century, catastrophism was considered scientific heresy.
Today, it is becoming increasingly difficult to ignore.
The evidence continues to grow.
Abrupt climate change
Sudden extinctions
Rapid environmental transformation
Consider just a few examples.
The Younger Dryas
Megafaunal extinctions
Ancient impact evidence
Massive floods
Abrupt temperature shifts
The picture emerging is not one of perfect stability. It is a picture of disruption.
Again and again.
Even mainstream researchers now acknowledge that Earth can change dramatically over surprisingly short periods.
Catastrophism is back on the menu.
The debate is no longer whether catastrophes occurred. It is:
How many?
How severe?
What caused them?
Decades later, the once-ridiculed geologist J. Harlen Bretz reflected:
“All my enemies are dead, so I no longer have anyone to gloat over.”
— J Harlen Bretz (1882–1981), on receiving the Penrose Medal (1979)
The Electric Universe Perspective
For decades, researchers exploring the Electric Universe model have proposed something even more controversial.
Perhaps Earth was not the only participant. Consider the possibilities:
an unstable Solar System
planets in different orbits
close interactions between worlds
events impossible under conventional assumptions
“The Earth lives in a cosmic shooting gallery.”
— Victor Clube (1934–2022), The Cosmic Serpent (1982, with Bill Napier)
The suggestion remains disputed. Yet it emerged from an unusual observation.
Ancient cultures around the world preserved remarkably similar traditions.
They spoke of:
cosmic battles
wandering stars
gods fighting in the heavens
worlds brought to ruin
Were these merely myths? Or, distorted memories of extraordinary celestial events?
The Electric Universe takes this idea a step further than the generally more conservative plasma cosmology perspective. It argues that mythology deserves closer attention — not because myths constitute scientific evidence, but because they may preserve clues to real events.
“The historical memory of mankind is filled with descriptions of cosmic catastrophes.”
— Immanuel Velikovsky (1895–1979), Worlds in Collision (1950)
Saturn’s Secret
One of the most intriguing mysteries concerns Saturn. For many years it was regarded as little more than another gas giant.
Then came a series of surprises.
Researchers discovered unexpected similarities between the isotopic signatures of water found on Earth and those measured within Saturn’s rings and icy satellites. In particular, the isotopic ratios of water appear strikingly similar — an unexpected finding that raises profound questions about our planet’s early history. Could Earth once have been associated more closely with Saturn, perhaps even as a former satellite within a very different celestial arrangement?
Ancient traditions seem to hint at such possibilities. The Atlantic Ocean, for example, was known in classical sources as the Sea of Kronos, a curious echo of Saturn’s ancient Greek name.
As one report from *Phys.org, 3rd December 2018, explained:
“By developing a new method for measuring isotopic ratios of water and carbon dioxide remotely, scientists have found that the water in Saturn’s rings and satellites is unexpectedly like water on the Earth.”
The same report concluded:
“The results also mean we need to change models of the formation of the Solar System because the new results are in conflict with existing models.”
The findings challenged established ideas about the distribution of planetary materials throughout the Solar System. While they do not demonstrate planetary rearrangement, they suggest that our models of Solar System formation may still be incomplete.
Within the Electric Universe movement, Saturn occupies a unique place because ancient traditions repeatedly elevated it above all other celestial bodies.
The Roman Saturn
The Greek Kronos
The Persian Yima
The Chinese Genie of the Pivot
Why did so many civilisations, separated by oceans and millennia, grant Saturn such extraordinary significance? Why did they so often place it at the centre of their cosmology?
As David Talbott observed in The Saturn Myth:
“Chinese astronomers designated the celestial pole as ‘the Pivot,’ identifying the ‘Genie of the Pivot’ as the planet Saturn.”
The question remains unanswered, but it refuses to disappear.
The Three-Body Problem
Conventional astronomy rejects the idea that planetary orbits could have changed significantly within human history. Yet celestial mechanics has long wrestled with a fundamental difficulty known as the Three-Body Problem.
While the gravitational interaction between two bodies can be solved exactly, introducing a third body produces behaviour that quickly becomes extremely complex and, in many cases, chaotic. Despite giant leaps in computational power, mathematicians still have no general analytical solution for arbitrary three-body systems.
This does not directly imply that the planets have recently wandered through the Solar System, but it does remind us that long-term orbital evolution is far from a solved problem. If major orbital rearrangements were ever to occur, the consequences would be catastrophic.
Is that what the ancients were trying to tell us?
Plato suggested that the myth of Phaethon preserved the memory of a genuine celestial event:
“[It] really signifies a declination of the bodies moving in the heavens around the earth, and a great conflagration of things upon the earth.”
His student, Aristotle, wrote:
“A tradition has been handed down by the ancient thinkers of very early times ... to the effect that these heavenly bodies are Gods ... the rest of the tradition has been added later in a mythological form to influence the vulgar...”
Whether these traditions preserve memories of real astronomical events or simply express symbolic truths remains open to debate. Yet they remind us that the ancient world may have preserved observations of the heavens in ways that modern readers have too readily dismissed.
The Younger Dryas Problem
Perhaps the greatest challenge to gradualism comes from the end of the Ice Age.
Something dramatic happened.
The climate shifted abruptly
Ecosystems changed
Large animals vanished
And Human societies transformed
Conventional explanations continue to evolve.
Comets
Impacts
Volcanism
Ocean circulation changes
And Solar effects
No single explanation satisfies everyone. What is clear is that the transition was anything but gentle. The Earth system appears capable of dramatic reorganisation. Sometimes with astonishing speed.
The Missing Generations
The ice-core analysis raises another uncomfortable question. If vast spans of time truly passed, where is the evidence of continuous human development?
Many sites appear strangely static. Cultures emerge. Remain remarkably stable. Then disappear.
Even more puzzling, caves often resemble emergency refuges rather than permanent homes.
The archaeological record is often less continuous than a simple picture of uninterrupted human development might suggest.
Again, this does not prove compressed chronology.
But it raises questions worth asking, and science advances through questions. Not consensus.
“There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind.”
— Plato
A Different View of History
Imagine, for a moment, that ancient people witnessed extraordinary celestial events.
Climate changed rapidly
The skies looked different
And entire populations were wiped out or displaced
What would survive? Not scientific papers, not observatories, not climate datasets, but:
Stories
Legends
Myths
Symbols
Rituals
Religions
Memories carried from generation to generation. Over centuries, literal events would become sacred narratives.
History would become mythology. Yet, fragments of truth might remain.
The Ice Beneath Our Feet
Whether these interpretations ultimately withstand scrutiny remains to be seen. That is how science progresses. Claims must be tested, assumptions challenged, and alternative explanations considered.
Laboratory studies have shown that electrical fields can influence the way ice forms, while studies of deep Antarctic ice have revealed highly organised crystal fabrics and C-axis orientations. Such remarkable degrees of alignment are consistent with the possibility that electrical processes may have played a more significant role in shaping the deepest ice than is generally assumed. Together, these findings suggest that the oldest ice may be more complex than a simple annual record of snowfall.
One thing, however, is becoming increasingly difficult to ignore. The comfortable picture of a slow, uneventful past is giving way to one marked by repeated disruption.
Abrupt climate shifts
Sudden extinctions
Rapid environmental change
Perhaps the ice is preserving more than climate. Perhaps it is preserving the fingerprints of catastrophic events that unfolded far more rapidly than we have imagined.
The Bigger Question
The real question is not whether one ice core is correct. The real question is whether we have underestimated the role of catastrophe in shaping our world.
The Earth beneath our feet may be younger in some respects than we imagine. The skies above us may have been more dynamic than we assume.
Ancient traditions may preserve more truth than we allow. And the past may be far stranger than the textbooks suggest.
If so, the greatest scientific revolution of the coming decades may not concern distant galaxies.
It may concern our own forgotten history.
A history written not only in stone. Not only in myth. But frozen deep within the ice itself.
Piece inspired by Velikovsky: NotTheEndOfTheWorld
References
Clark, R. N., Brown, R. H., Cruikshank, D. P., & Swayze, G. A. (2019). Isotopic Ratios of Saturn’s Rings and Satellites: Implications for the Origin of Water and Phoebe. Icarus, 321, 791–802.
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.icarus.2018.11.029
Taylor, K. C., Hammer, C. U., Alley, R. B., et al. (1993). Electrical conductivity measurements from the GISP2 and GRIP Greenland ice cores. Nature, 366, 549–552.
https://doi.org/10.1038/366549a0
Cassone, G., & Martelli, F. (2024). Electrofreezing of liquid water at ambient conditions. Nature Communications, 15, Article 1856.
https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-024-46131-z
Ben Ami, E., et al. (2025). Electrofreezing of Supercooled Water at −0.5 °C Induced by Al and Mg Electrodes via a Chemical Cooperative Process of Ice-Making Species and Electric Field. Journal of the American Chemical Society.
https://doi.org/10.1021/jacs.5c14056
Fudge, T. J., et al. (2016). Electrical Stratigraphy of the WAIS Divide Ice Core: Identification of Centimeter-Scale Irregular Layering. Journal of Geophysical Research: Earth Surface.
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Durand, G., et al. (2007). Change in ice rheology during climate variations – implications for ice flow modelling and dating of the EPICA Dome C core. Climate of the Past, 3, 155–167.
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Summary of Key References
Clark et al. (2019) — Isotopic evidence from Saturn’s rings relevant to theories of their origin.
Taylor et al. (1993) — Deep Greenland ice-core conductivity records become increasingly difficult to interpret, with possible discontinuities affecting chronology.
Cassone & Martelli (2024) — Electric fields can directly influence the formation of ice.
Ben Ami et al. (2025) — Independent experimental confirmation of electrofreezing.
Fudge et al. (2016) — Electrical stratigraphy reveals fine-scale internal layering within Antarctic ice.
Durand et al. (2007) — Abrupt changes in ice crystal fabric may influence ice flow and the interpretation of deep ice-core chronology.







This essay repeatedly invokes The Electric Universe with regard to planetary instability, satellite of Saturn, etc. It's important NOT TO CONFLATE THE TWO. Dave Talbott's theories about planetary alignments and catastrophism appearing in myth is not dependent upon Electric Universe, and Electric Universe is not dependent on Dave Talbott's theories. It just so happens that after Dave Talbott began publishing books on his ideas, he then came across EU theory as a way to possibly justify them, so there's now some crossover between the two groups of followers. But Talbott's claims are much more radical and are more likely to be FALSE than is the basic premise of EU. So EU should not tie its credibility to Talbott's more radical ideas.
What a deft and far-reaching but approachable summary of the issue, David. Thank you for taking the time to assemble and share it.
On the topic of the Michael Steinbacher Memorial Foundation For Missing Volcanoes, I saw on my usual morning visit to Tony Phillips' Spaceweather.com something I chuckled at then screencapped. Forgive me for linking myself below, but I put the note up to share the screencap with you and a couple other EU Substackers.
Tony shows a side-by-side image of glowing arcs resulting from the current eruption of Mt. Etna in Italy and solar plasma loops. And comments: "Mt Etna is on the left, post-flare loops on the right. The shapes are the same, but the physics is completely different."
He then goes on to describe things in units of Atom Bombs.
Which is much more understandable than electricity to the average reader. Somehow.
The notion that volcanoes might be driven in part or primarily by electrical activity is one that I'm constantly on the lookout for, here in the beautiful but terrifying Cascadia Subduction Zone. Discussions of quakes, 'canoes, tsunamis and such are invariably grounded in Newtonian physics. (And often are expressed in units of Atom Bombs--invented, it's hard not to conclude, to provide a standardized unit of measurement for highly energetic phenomena.)
Yet I've also seen things here and there indicating there maybe are some researchers, including at USGS and UW, who have an eye on electrical geology. More another time. For now:
Link to my note on the screencap noted above.
https://substack.com/profile/103891977-korpijarvi/note/c-306798517?r=1purk9&utm_source=notes-share-action&utm_medium=web
Link to what I'd suspect is evidence of electrical field effects at Mt. St. Helens.
https://substack.com/profile/103891977-korpijarvi/note/c-306806936?r=1purk9&utm_source=notes-share-action&utm_medium=web